GO FIGHT INTERVIEW
So how exactly would you describe electroscuzz?
Go Fight – I think it’s what happens when you grow up on Funk music, love EDM and Debstep but are ideologically committed to industrial music. You get something kind of convoluted and messy and loud. I think we wanted our own genre name to attach to what we were doing not because we think we’re so different but so that people new to industrial music wouldn’t pick up a Nine Inch Nails record then one of ours and be too disappointed to give Caustic 10 dollars, too. This, like most things in the industrial music scene goes back to Matt Fanale.
Jim, what is the true story about Van Christie? I have been told you ate him, is this true?
Go Fight – It’s funny the kind of accusations you weather when you have a German name. Van’s always been like a brother to me and I usually eat people outside the family. I feel like Die Warzau was a specific thing that Van and I agreed on, built, believed in. I really wanted to write some things that weren’t necessarily part of his world. Gender issues, sex, GLBTQ rights, so much of this is endemic to who I am and it’s more me, not DW. Go Fight seems like a more agile delivery for that.
Describe the child that was Go Fight and how that timid child grew to be the Go Fight we know and love today.
Go Fight – Way back when we did “Land of the Free,” Chris Parry, the owner of Fiction, used to remind us that, at our worst, Die Warzau was “drums and yelling.” I think Go Fight, as a tiny zygote, was meant to be the evolved, handsome version of drums and yelling. Anthemic choruses and big drums. Everything else sort of fell out of that. I still think a good song can work with just rhythm and vocal melody. I don’t mean to be that reductionist about it, but it feels right to me.
If Go Fight was a sexual position then what position would it be and why?
Go Fight – It would 100% have to be pegging. There is a beautiful inversion that happens when someone without a penis is able to use one to penetrate someone who actually has one. It’s a transhumanist moment, triumphing over our biology, but it’s also a moment of seamless egalitarianism, moving beyond creating social artifices for artificial integration and mitigating models to make people FEEL equal into territory where all the symbols sort of share interconnectivity in any order. It’s a wish, you know? I wish every man in the country could bend over and feel what it is to have a women inside them, directing them through the sway of their hips, pushing and pumping away at them. This might remind everyone that all sex is a fetish and it’s all a role play- a façade. We all stand up equal after fucking or being fucked, cocks in mouths, in asses, attached to our hips, it doesn’t matter. Once we realize it’s all role play, we’re free of the innate FEEL of the sexual power exchange. Let it wash away our seemingly inherent disrespect for the person being penetrated, both gay men and women. I think the band represents a trans-gendered approach, trans-orientation, trans-expression. In all honesty, as a bisexual, this band has given me the chance to write songs like ‘Gay on the Dancefloor,’ where I can publicly ask another guy to fuck me, in a lyric, in an industrial-type song. The chance to kiss another guy in the video for “Moscow Drag,” etc. There is a liberation here for me, that makes me happy. Go Fight has no closet and it’s a functioning voyeur.
Go Fight is getting married, which band is go fight marrying and which band will wear the trousers in the relationship?
Go Fight – God, I hope this is a consensual thing. But, honestly, we’re not even seeing anyone. I know that we could be just like hundred of other bands, sneaking into Adam Ant’s Pirate canopy bedroom, offering up a blowjob in hopes of getting a ring or rubbing Coconut oil on Lily Allen pestering her to be more than fuckbuddies. But I really feel like, once bands secure the right to marry in 2035, we’ll probably find that we have the same sense of humor as Leæther Strip and should move forward with that. I will, of course, be wearing the pants. I should probably discuss that with Claus.
What perverted shit was said to your cat and how did it react?
Go Fight – I have two orange cats and two black dogs. Because of this, it is impossible, scientifically, to determine if their poor interaction is caused by speciesism or racism. This makes me incredibly sad because I like to think, in better moments, that animals are above this kind of thing. I hope to get some of those translation collars in the future and figure out which is the more compelling story, here. That being said, our cats, the dogs, and a rabbit we used to own, have seen so much debauchery that it almost seems as though they no longer really react. I remember once, at a party at my house, two people were having sex on top of a wooden topped rabbit cage in my living room. The back and forth vibrations made the rabbit’s ears slide back and forth while he stared up at us hatefully. I probably would have reacted the same to giant people fucking on my roof.
You have humour, funk and true talent. Sometimes the subject matter of your songs will upset those who don’t have a sense of humour, so are you worried about upsetting people at all?
Go Fight – That was a cool thing to say, thank you. I’m actually pretty good at upsetting people. After all this intense exercise in that, I would be sad to give it up. Three years ago, my wife and I (my girlfriend at the time) gave a lecture to a human sexuality class at Northwestern University in Evanston. When we walked in, the professor was showing a film that stated that female ejaculation was likely a myth. We mentioned to him that we knew it was real and we could demonstrate it, with a fucksaw that we had with for the lecture. So, with permission of the class, all of whom were over 18, and the professor, we did a short demonstration at the end of the class. We didn’t think it was a big deal, but a week later it became a topic of national interest in the papers, on television. People were upset but, tellingly, no one knew why exactly, they were upset. This seems to be a working model for a lot of outrage I’ve encountered. People find themselves upset at something with no real idea why and no cogent argument for their satisfaction.
There have been a couple of reviews of Napalm Baby, what one thing has been said about Napalm Baby good or bad that stands out to you?
Go Fight – A Regen Magazine review recently said that this album sounded like it couldn’t be anyone but us. For better or worse, I love that. It would be great to have made an album that no one else could have. I got into industrial music when it was in its infancy, as a challenge to the future to do something new and unheard. It makes me sad to see people falling back on these industrial classics so much that they refuse to make new music a big part of their lives, too.
What’s the story behind Rocket and the video you released with it?
Go Fight – There are a ton of ways that men diminish women in the course of a day. We all hear about mansplaining and sealioning and gaslighting and lollipopping. It’s disturbing that there are so many ways men casually show disrespect to women that we have this abundance of names for them. One of the most primal, I think, is just simply withholding their fanship of a female artist, statesperson, scientist, etc. just because they are female. People often talk about the first rule of children’s narratives- that little girls will read stories about girls and boys but little boys will only really read stories about boys. Even at that age they are withholding their fanship, rejecting people from that club in their head of people who are worthy of emulation just because they are female. We wrote Rocket as a way to be unabashed fans of the women we idolize but also to make the point that it’s not often you hear a song by men written to look up to and emulate a woman. For fun, on the day after women’s day, we posted a video of 74 women we idolize on youtube. For the hell of it, we thought we’d ask our friends and fans if they could name them all. And as testimony to what cool fans we have, we got a number of lists that were one or two off and a couple that were 100% accurate. We released this after International women’s day as a statement about how one day was clearly not enough. But the interesting thing, for us, is using fanship as a way to subvert something we see as a real problem. It’s a celebration.
Napalm Baby has a fair few dance floor filler on it, do you make music with the intention of making people dance or do you want them to do other things to your music and if so what?
Go Fight – A friend of mine confided in me that he used our first album to teach his spin class, but he had to change the song order. Another friend had told me that “convenience” by Die Warzau was her favourite record to have sex to, which I was also ok with. I know we don’t get to control how things are used afterward, but I was really excited to hear it when a fan sent a message saying that he listened to “Light of day” every morning to remind himself that he had a place in the world that it was all there for him, too. And when I heard, on a radio station, that the Die Warzau song “Permission” gave her the will to leave her abusive husband, that made me feel good. You try so hard, as a musician, to feel like it matters, in any way, that I don’t think I’m in a position to tell people how NOT to feel, how not to use what they have. I’m just so overwhelmed that they do anything with it.
You recently asked your fans to possibly re-write your bio, what were the responses to that?
Go Fight – remarkably surreal and fun. It was just am experiment to see how people deal with extreme liberty. When given the freedom to express without reservation without fear of being insulted or pulled back, people become bigger and weirder than life. The interesting juxtaposition here is that, when given absolute freedom over other people, humans can become brutal and destructive, too, as evidenced by the performance art pieces of Marina Abramović, The Milgram experiments, The Phillip Zimbardo prison experiments, etc. I think one of the biggest challenges to our culture is going to be how to create real freedom while protecting people from the artifacts of other people’s freedom.
Go Fight gets turned into a Pokemon, describe this Pokemon
Go Fight – I hope it’s not one of those Pokemon who should be terrified of evolution. You know, the ones who evolve and lose their arms or start out really cute and evolve into something truly ugly. I’d hate to be something so afraid of the future.
What is the worse take away you have ever had and why was it so bad?
Go Fight – Third wave feminism has spent a lot of time dealing with its approach to sexuality and desire. We are definitely pro-sex third wave feminists and recognize that, in a way, all sex is fetish. We worldbuild around sex and recognize that when it works best it’s a deformation of the REAL world- a place where man and women are meant to live in an egalitarian way. The search for the right codeswitching model- where we sink into this place of respect, common goals, and understanding of the issues that impact each other, while we revel in the “wrongness” that out of bounds sexual exploration can deliver. When we finished “Fuck like a movie star.” I expected some people not to understand it. It was inspired by the failure of the pharmaceutical industry to respond to women’s issues the way they have responded in the highly lucrative men’s ED space. It’s wrapped in a pretty playful and R rated video of a bachelor party populated by older stuff animals. (Past their prime, really). Some people walked away from that video thinking that we were misogynist and disrespectful. I think that’s really unfortunate.
I cannot stand Abba, no matter how people tell me how they moulded a generation and shit. Just cannot stand them, in fact I detest them. Is there any music that you feel the same way about?
Go Fight – I can’t believe I’m saying this out loud because under no circumstances would I ever deny how important the Beatles are in the history of music and even in popular culture, but I do think that it might be important for us to recognize that Paul McCartney, in the process of writing a million songs, some of which are eternally magnificent, introduced some terrible and horrific atrocities on this reality. Ebony and Ivory, Mull of Kintyre, Coming up, Wonderful Christmastime, Spies like Us, Check my Machine, Wild Honey Pie, Too Many People, etc. And some songs that, honestly, are LIVING PROOF of the impossibility of time travel. Seriously, if a future human/mutant hybrid in a white suit didn’t step out of a squawking, lightshow of a time bubble to stop this guy from recording “Temporary Secretary,” Every one of Hitler’s ancestors is forever safe.
Thank you so much for giving Vampire Freaks this interview, is there anything you would like to add?
Go Fight – Well. I’m really glad we didn’t have to answer that uncomfortable “are you guys vampires” question. I hate lying and all.
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